Heh heh heh...

[feren]

Sorry, gang, but I have only one thing to say:

Quoting a website's propoganda does not make it fact.

Or perhaps yotogi, the Watcher, the reaver of fucking LiveJournal souls said it best when he said

"And let us not forget that the Weight Watchers website is undeniably the place to go to receive information on competing weight loss schema that is utterly unblemished by partiality. Right. And a five-foot-tall chocolate Atkins shake might fly, singing the praises of Bob Almighty on High while playing the BANJO, out of my narrow, white virgin ASS!"

Methinks somebody is just jealous of the repeated success stories on anthroatkins.

closer to free

Comments

[brianblackberry.livejournal.com]

Right now I'd be satisfied with either the Atkins or non-Atkins way.

I started the diet route this week, orginally was going with Atkins but promised a friend who hates the method I'd do the "better food and excercise" method of conting calories first. However if this does not work for me by the end of the year, its Atkins with the promise of 100% support from my friend.

Either way, I'd just be happy if one or the other works.

[kristenq.livejournal.com]

You guys seriously need to stop, its not even fucking important.

[feren.livejournal.com]

Why? It's fun to point out logical fallacies.

[duncandahusky.livejournal.com]

Amen to that.

[feren.livejournal.com]

For starters, congrats on the diet thing. Welcome to the club!

[Right now I'd be satisfied with either the Atkins or non-Atkins way.]

Every person is an individual, and each diet has its pros and its cons. There is no one-size-fits-all plan for lifetime weight and fitness. To believe otherwise is to fall for society's "quick fix" mentality and truly give up any vestige of independent thought. What's ultimately important is that you find a plan that works for you.

[I started the diet route this week, orginally was going with Atkins but promised a friend who hates the method I'd do the "better food and excercise" method of conting calories first.]

"Better" is relative when it comes to foods, again because of the individuality aspect. Experimenting is key to finding what works best for you, but I assume you mean "better" in the sense of "less Burger King onion rings," right? ;) It's hard to go wrong with that. Money in your pocket and less liquid gold in your veins.

What does worry me about your diet is why you're making promises to other people about your health based on their likes and dislikes? They're not doing the diet for you, you are doing the diet. I think you'd feel a lot better if you made your own choices, because you're the one who has to live with them, not your friend.

That being said the "better food and exercise" regimen is a completely legitimate methodology for weight management, and I heartily approve of it. I think that too few people are willing to follow that path because it represents "more work" than they're willing to do (remember that we're the society that invented weight-loss pills because we're too lazy to get up from the couch to walk around the block). Any plan that claims weight loss without exercise is a farce and should be avoided at all costs.

What I don't approve of is the pressuring you received.

Anyway, gospel aside: good luck on the new eating plan, and I hope that all goes well! The first weeks are always the hardest.

[captain18.livejournal.com]

At the organizational level, whether it's Weight Watchers or Atkins or some group that believes cannibalism is the answer, you can expect solid, repeated attempts at debunking the gospel of anything but the One True Weight-Loss Plan. Fair enough.

What really surprises me, though, is the sniping that trickles down to everyday people. As long as you're not giving yourself scurvy, what fucking difference does it make whether you're avoiding fat, cholesterol, carbs, sugar, starch, meat, or foods that start with the letter b? If you still get enough food that you can get through the day and you can stick with the system, then you have the right diet plan.

Personally, I've lost 20lbs in 6 months simply by not going for as many second helpings, eating less fast food, and trading a potato for a fruit or vegetable twice a week. I suppose I "exercised portion control" and "reduced my caloric intake" but that makes it sound premeditated and scientific. I assure you I counted no calories and never took a tape measure to my steak. That was my answer. Others have different ones.

Food is not a science. If it was, we'd all only eat brown and green capsules that contained a precise amount and balance of nutrients. But not everyone has the same needs or exactly the same metabolism. So as long as you accept the notion that different people will like different foods, and even that people have different reasons for eating, then it's a logical step that different people will need different paths to the same goal.

In keeping with that, I'm not saying that Atkins has all the answers. There may be things within anti-carb diets that could be tweaked which might be beneficial. From what I've read, the scientific results of the study appear to be that Atkins folks reduce their caloric intake but could be shortchanging intake of other vitamins/minerals. OK. Rather than using this as a tool to question whether there might be a simple modification that could be made to the existing system to make it better, it's being wielded as a club and further polarizing both sides of the issue. At that point the scientific merits become utterly worthless because it won't help anyone but bully-pulpit preachers.

[feren.livejournal.com]

Amen

Amen

AMEN!

to all of what you just said! Thank you for making my point far more eloquently than I did.

[captain18.livejournal.com]

The collection plate will make its way to you shortly. :oD

[genet.livejournal.com]

I have to agree. I'm not sure what it is about dieting that makes everyone come out of the woodwork and criticize your methods. It's almost as bad as religion.

Milage varies on whatever dietary plan you choose. What works for person A may not work for person B, ect ect. And in my mind, it's nobody's business but mine which path I walk on my quest for better health.

[feren.livejournal.com]

Do you accept American Express?

[jdm314.livejournal.com]

One schema, many schemata.

an-throat-kins.

Hello.

[captain18.livejournal.com]

I think the people at Visa would happily educate you that American Express is not a sound method of payment. Studies show it deprives you of the many benefits found only when using a Visa card. What on Earth are you thinking?

[yakko.livejournal.com]

The only "undeniable fact" in this arena is the results you personally see. Atkins works for you? Great! At that point, nothing else matters; it is a FACT that it worked for you.

The rest of the information is, well... information, at worst. Some information is of course backed by empirical evidence, and other info is backed by hot air. :o)

[yotogi.livejournal.com]

Just for the record, to put my little expectoration into context, I weigh 135 pounds. I don't know a thing about the weight loss game, other than that if I don't eat something once per day I faint and my life possibly ends. So, I don't really have a problem one way or the other with Atkins vs. Weight Watchers vs. liposuction; whatever works for you.

My beef springs from firing facts off a website with a vested interest in discrediting all other methods as unbiased fact, and then using it as fodder to launch into more debate. Of course, given that comments were turned off on the post in question, the only debate is here and it's actually my fault now.

So with that in mind-- I'm going to shut the hell up and go back to writing poetry now.

[kinkyturtle.livejournal.com]

I too noticed the 'throat' in there... I was picturing a girl named Anne Throatkins, or something like that.

Kids love Anne Throatkins, the new headless doll from Mattel! (They must; they keep pulling the heads off the dolls they've got!)