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I just got a pointer to this thanks to one of Kette's friends, who made a comment in her journal about this. Do I oppose the Federal Marriage Amendment? You bet your sweet ass I do. This is a free country, and people who love one another should be allowed to join in a union regardless of their gender/race/religion/whatever. Some up-tight group has decided that this needs to be stopped because it's contributing to the moral decay of America (Yeah, sure... see my earlier rant, Control Your Goddamn Progeny if you want my take on that one), and have proposed an amendment to the Constitution to have it read something along the lines of "Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and woman."

Here is where I call bullshit. This needs to stop right here and right now. Please, everyone, even if you don't believe in gay rights, at least see how easily this can lead to laws that trample on personal freedoms and rights that you DO care about, and go to http://www.petitiononline.com/0712t001/petition.html and put your name to this. Slap this down before people start thinking they have the right to define WHO and WHAT you marry -- or worse.

unfortunately

Date: 2001-08-03 10:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yakkette.livejournal.com
i hate it when some of my libertarian ideals clash with my moral beliefs. For example, in the boy scout case, I firmly believe the boy scouts suck ass for not letting gay people in. However, I support the supreme court's decision that a private organization cannot be forced to admit anybody. If I wanted to start an all-women club, and the supreme court ordered that I had to admit men, that would fucking suck. BUT i also think that if the boy scouts are going to discriminate, they shouldn't get a single cent of taxpayer money, whether it's at the local, state, or federal level. I believe that Barbera Boxer, my lovely Senator, is pushing some legistation saying something to that effect (I dont' konw the details, however) and the religious right is saying that the liberals and the gay activists are tryign to impede on THEIR 1st admendment and religious freedoms! Because we don't think TAXPAYERS SHOULD BE PAYING FROM DISCRIMINATION!
Nobody is saying the boyscouts can't exist, people are just saying that if they're gonna be bigoted jerks, they can do it with their own damn money. Argh.
Anyway, that was off topic, here's what I'm getting to: I think gay marriage should be legal, everywhere. But I also think that the states should have more power and the federal goverment should have less, and this amendment would infringe upon state rights. :( but I hate the amendment!! god dammit. It'sl ike with the pot thing, CA voters said "it's okay to smoke pot for medical uses" and the feds say "nope" and I say that's fucked up, the people of the state have spoken, it should be legal. So that's how I feel about the state rights thing, so I dont' really know if I can feel comforable opposing this amendment but I certainly don't support it, either.

Re: unfortunately

Date: 2001-08-03 11:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pogo101.livejournal.com
I have the same view re: libertarian/BSA/funding. Do you think that it is a violation of artists' free speech rights to be denied a government (taxpayer-funded) grant based on the content of the artists' work?

Re: unfortunately

Date: 2001-08-03 11:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pogo101.livejournal.com
Is it okay to chuckle (with you, not at you) for the expression, "the boy scouts s**k a*s for not letting gay people in"? Not that I'm saying such activity really has much to do with gayness! But our society is rife with expressions that, although not used in homophobic ways, derive from a disapproval of homosexuality. ("That's so gay." "That suc*s a*s." etc.) I can just see the BSA response to you. "No, we DON't s*** a**, that's our POINT! That's what [we think] gay ppl DO!"

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